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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:36 pm

I mentioned doing the "running in" tackle next, so this post deals with how I tackled the er, tackle.
The tackles consisted of two 9" blocks, one single and one double. At 1/100 scale, that translates to 2.25mm, that was the first stumbling block, blimey, two puns already x7x
I remembered from doing some gun tackles much earlier in the build that the smallest block I could find was 2.5mm for a single block and 3mm for a double. I spent some time re-searching the net to see if things had changed over the years but alas no, still the same. The 2.5mm equates to 10", just slightly over size, so as before, I used those. Below are the starting components.

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Two 2.5mm single blocks, two small hooks from a photo etch sheet (not sure where it came from) that I've had for some years and three lengths of small rigging cord.
So that I could thread the cord through the blocks, twice for the "double" block, I had to drill out the existing holes to enlarge them, no small feat in itself :roll: .
I started by making a loop and single knot in a small length of cord around the first block and while pulling tight, put a longer length of cord through the bottom of the loop and a hook at the top, tightening and doubling up the knot to secure. The longer length is also tied in a double knot. this forms the single block. The "double" block is made the same way but only a hook is fitted. A dab of glue on all the knots before trimming the loose ends. That gives you two blocks as below.

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The long length of cord is then threaded through the "double" block, around and through the single block it is attached to and back through the "double" block.

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Threading through these tiny blocks was made easier by using a "BigEye" needle.
For those of you not familiar with this, its a long needle split in the middle, (or two needles joined at each end :? ) I got them some years ago,
I think from Micro Mart in the US, they specialise in small modelling tools.

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As my guns and deck bolts are already fixed in place, I left the tackle slightly long, and after putting the hooks in place through the eye bolts pulled the tackle tight. The "double" block attaches to the gun carriage by the way. Excess cord was then cut off and tidied up on the deck.

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Only another five to do :roll:
Once I'd completed the rest of the running in tackles on the six quarter deck guns,

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I did the hammock netting on the quarter deck bulwarks.
These were constructed as before, the main difference with these ones is the height, only about half the height of the other nets, probably because they are on top of the high bulwarks.

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by Bob Langley » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:46 pm

Good job on those fiddly hammock nettings Alan XXBRXX
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:55 pm

Thanks for your comments Bob.

I've been doing some research, and work on the beak head area.
The first thing I did were the eyebolts on the fore castle front rail above the round houses that will be needed at rigging stage.
It seems that only the outside three on each side are used, but from photos I have seen, there are five on each side, so that's what I went with.

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I used the smallest copper eyebolts I could find, 2mm. I do have some smaller photo etch ones but was concerned they would not be strong enough to take the pull of the rigging attached to them. They should be mounted a bit higher on the top ridge of the rail but looked too big up there so I fitted them lower, I think once all the rigging is in place it won't notice that much.
I also added two eyebolts on the outer edges of the marines walk that will again be needed at rigging stage.

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Next I made up and fitted the rigging and tackles that attach to the knights head post eyebolts, that may prove difficult to get to at a later stage.
There are six attachments in all, three on each post, and are all part of the standing rigging. The standing rigging is used to secure and hold masts and spars in place and is generally black in colour as it was covered in tar to protect it from the weather and possibly give it extra strength. Unlike the running rigging, which is used to control the ship,
once fitted, it stays in position, but does need to be tensioned up every so often, hence the tackles fitted to it.
The standing rigging consists of various sizes of ropes that need to look proportionally different from each other to achieve an accurate look to the model. The smallest of the six I am dealing with are the three Martingales, on the real ship they are 4 inch ropes, at my 1/100 scale, that equates to 0.323mm, unfortunately, commercial scale rigging lines are not made in 0.3mm sizes, but 0.25mm and 0.5mm, do I go up or down in scale ? A bit of forward planning is needed.
The largest rope on the ship is the Main Stay at 19 inches, that conveniently equates to 1.535mm, they make 1.5mm rigging lines, so that will be spot on. Everything else needs to be proportionally smaller, so lets see how it would work. the Main Preventer Stay, 13 inches (1.050mm), great 1mm will do. Fore Stay and Fore Preventer Stay, 18 and 11.5 inches respectively, (1.455mm and 0.929mm) at this scale I think I can get away with 1.5mm and 1.0mm again. Now we come to the next sizes down, two of the ropes I'm dealing with, the Fore Topmast Stay at 8.5 inches, that equates to 0.687mm and the For Topmast Preventer Stay at 6.5 inches which equates to 0.525mm, for these I can use 0.75mm and 0.5mm respectively, the largest Shrouds are 11 inches (0.889mm) so I can get away with 1.0mm there and everything will look reasonably proportional. So good job I didn't go up in scale for the Martingales.
They will be 2.5mm. The sixth rope I'm dealing with here is the Fore Topgallant Stay at 4.5 inches, I think at this scale I can get away with it being the same size as the Martingales, so I've made my choices.
Sorry this has gone on a bit but it shows that you need to plan ahead,
I know most of you are following instructions from your own kit builds, but the Del Prado kit did not have very comprehensive rigging and this post may help others in the same boat, pardon the pun
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:59 pm

Right, on to the tackles themselves.
The six ropes I'm dealing with had varying sizes and shapes of tackle blocks and a couple of different ways to attach the ropes to them.
Mostly they were seized around the blocks, that is, passed around the block and then the loop is held together with smaller twine wrapping round the rope to hold it together. Another method is the thimble, a loop made in the rope and seized as above around a wooden or metal ring that is then attached to the block with a hook.
I made the tackles in a similar way to the gun tackle described earlier in the build log, but as stated above used varying size blocks etc to best represent the descriptions I have of them on the real ship.
Below is the starboard side, where hopefully you can see the seizing around the blocks and the top tackle has the thimble method.

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On the port side you can see the largest of the ropes, the Fore Topmast Stay (bottom attachment) that has a 24 inch (6.096mm) "long block" which, as far as I can tell was a large and smaller block attached together. To represent this, I used a commercially bought 7mm ramshead block and filed it down a bit.

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As stated earlier these tackles were only used when the ropes needed to be tensioned up, and as in photos I have seen the loose ends were tied off around centre of the tackle ropes.
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:06 pm

Up next was the beak head netting. There are a couple of schools of thought here as to how it was supported, on ropes or on iron rods.
I wasn't about at the time of Trafalgar (I'm not that old x7x ), so can't really say how it was then, but the photos below show that iron rail is used nowadays.

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After checking out several photos I made some measurements and fitted some small 1mm photo etch eyebolts into the beak rail, one adjacent to the round houses coming out on a horizontal plane.

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Another in the foreword end of the beak rail was fixed in and the "eye" bent up to a vertical plane.

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A small hole was then drilled into the base of the beak rail to take the vertical support rod.

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I then cut and shaped some 0.5mm brass micro tubing.

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After careful measurement, I soldered the support rail onto the main bar and after a bit of cleaning up test fitted.

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The rods are fitted by first inserting the straight end into the foreword eyebolt.

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Then lowering and locating the bent end into the eyebolt adjacent to the round house.

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With a slight lift in the centre the support rod can be located into the hole made earlier.

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Once I was happy with the fit, the assembly was painted matt black.
The beauty of this method is, that if needed, the whole assembly can be removed for access behind it.
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:09 pm

Then onto the nets themselves.
I made these from the same net curtain material, and in the same way, as the hammock netting but this time only one length of small rigging cord was used to strengthen the top edge. Once the netting was ready I lashed them to the rods with small black rigging cord leaving the bottom edge free. Another test fit allowed me to shape and mark the netting to go around the privy seats and the rise of the grate flooring. I then cut the net to shape as seen below.

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The two sides were then re-fitted to give the final appearance, which I must say, I'm really pleased with. :)

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:16 pm

Just a small note regarding the rigging ropes described earlier.
Before fitting these ropes, (as I will with all the rigging on the ship)they were coated with bees wax and stretched for 48 Hrs using my patented (NOT)
rope stretching machine.

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Just something I knocked up the other afternoon. One end is fixed and has holes drilled to put the ropes through and knot or tie off.

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The other end has razor saw cuts at an angle that the ropes can be pulled into, stretched and locked into place with a downward pull. By fitting a couple of dowel pegs in the bottom of the bar and drilling some locating holes along the base, it can be adjusted for shorter or longer lengths of rigging.

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The actual rigging ropes attached to the knights heads should ideally be rigged from the other end down to the tackles, but as it may prove difficult to get in there later I have done it the other way and will hopefully be able to rig them in reverse. I have left them long enough, marked and rolled them up into a bag and the cherubs are keeping hold of them until needed :)

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:25 pm

As I was working on the beak head area I decided to have a go at the bumkins or boomkins whatever you wish to call them.
These are the small spars that are attached to the knight head posts and protrude out and at a downward angle through the beak head netting, and rest on the curved shape of the beak rail, I think they are tied down there as well. They are there to hold down and spread the the tack (lower angle) of the fore sail. Below is a photo of the starboard side of the real ship.

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Although round in profile and tapering toward the outer end like a spar, at the point they attach to the knight head posts they are octagonal in shape as seen below.

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So here is my attempt to make them. After getting some scale measurements
which shows them to be about 3mm at the knight head end, tapering to about 1.75mm at the farthest point. I started with two pieces of 5mm square profile timber.

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I chose the square profile because I thought it might be easier to make the octagonal shape but as it turned out I had to file so much down I might have done as well with round profile, but anyway, I marked off some reference points and turned them in a drill chuck, while filing, to get the basic shape below.

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Some more thinning down with small files and sanding pads got me to the next stage.

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I then roughly calculated and filed the angle that they come away from the knight head posts and after some adjustments I was happy with the fit. I then drilled and fixed some small locating pegs made from filed down cocktail sticks that will locate into holes drilled in the sides of the knight head posts. A bit of final shaping to arrive at the finished items.

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Below are some shots of them temporarily fitted in place.

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Its not a perfect octagon but at this size it gives the impression of one.
I won't be permanently fitting them for a while until they are needed, as little pointy out things tend to get broken off x7x
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by Bob Langley » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:12 pm

Awesome absolutely brilliant work x777x
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by Maurice Wilcox » Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:37 am

Great work on the head fittings Alan, a fine job on the head rail netting.

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by Capt-P » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:14 am

Very nice work Alan.

That netting looks very good and thanks for showing how you did it, 'still to do that part'.

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by Dennis » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:42 pm

Very nice work. Keep it coming.

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:32 pm

Thanks to Bob, Maurice, Frank and Dennis for your comments, much appreciated guys :text-thankyoublue:
To continue..
The gun port lids.
Again, after studying photos and plans I made a little template from brass sheet that can be placed into the gun port opening and the holes for the lid ropes drilled into the hull.

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I noticed that not all the ropes exited the hull at the same height above the openings and a couple were closer to the centre than the others, hence the various holes in the template (also the need to clear some mouldings).

The ropes on the actual ship were guided through the hull inside lead pipes, and on the outside of the hull was a leather gaiter to help keep the hole water tight.

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To try to replicate this I am using small lengths of black heat shrink sleeving. My first idea was to fix the heat shrink into the hull, unshrunk, as it were, with the rope attached and then apply the heat so that it shrunk around the rope creating the cone effect in the photo above, but the smallest size I could find (1mm), looked too large, so the plan is to thread the rope through the sleeving, shrink it around the rope, then glue the rope into it, all before fitting into the hull.

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As for the port lids themselves, I am using the ones supplied with the Del Prado kit. I have searched for others but the sizes are not quite right. I have painted them black on the outside and red ochre on the inside, and used small PE eyebolts to enhance them. I decided long ago not to use the supplied hinge pieces as they did not look accurate, and fitted brass rain drips of the correct shape over the gun port openings. The lids will just be glued into the gun port in an open or closed position. Below is a photo of a "test run" to see how it looked.
I will probably reduce the amount that the sleeving sticks out.

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To prevent going crazy, I will do these in stages and only fit the port lids in place where it may be awkward later, like under the channels etc. to prevent snapping them off when handling the ship.
After doing the test run, I thought of another enhancement to drive me bonkers :roll:
I made some small brass washers to tidy up the hole and hopefully give the look (when painted black) of the gaiters on the real ship seen in the photo above. Below is a dry fit in the hull.

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These little blighters started life as the rings on some PE hooks, I had to drill out the hole to enlarge it then file up the edges once it was cut from the hook. Now that I have found enough to do the lot, I will paint them first and glue them to the sleeving before fitting into the hull, I can then use it as a sort of depth gauge to keep them all the same.

While I was checking drawings etc relating to the gun ports, I was reminded (again) that I had not done anything about the sick bay windows on the middle gun deck at the bows.

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These windows are a bit smaller than the gun ports, with side opening doors, there seems to be a removable board blocking the bottom half of the opening, I can only think this was to prevent too much wind and spray getting to the sick seamen.
Most kits I have seen depict these windows as closed, either moulded into the hull or a separate moulded part to fix to the hull, unless of course you are Del Prado, in which case, you don't bother to depict it at all :( Mind you, they didn't even get the amount of actual gun ports right, so I suppose that was a bit too much to expect :lol:
They did supply a set of moulded closed doors for the quarter deck gun port, and I considered cutting off the rain drip part and using them, but they were still too large. So me being me, decided to go for it.
I knew the hull construction was very thick in that area, that's why I had avoided doing anything before, but throwing caution to the wind, I marked out the openings and with Dremel in one hand and file in the other, got stuck in :roll:

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Using the aforementioned tools and a small chisel, I rebated a 7mm square X 7mm deep (or there about) opening in the hull on each side.
After cleaning up the edges and touching up the paintwork I made the "removable" boards by cutting aftermarket gun port lids, (more about those later) in half and filing off all the detail, then fixing a couple of pieces of 0.5mm X 0.25mm Evergreen strip down the sides.

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These were then painted red ochre, and after painting the rear of the openings matt black,
they were fixed it place, along with the brass rain drips used on the other gun ports. There seems to be a lot more room in this area on the real ship than on my model, from looking at the photo's it seems the blue and yellow striped carving goes up at a steeper angle than I have done mine, leaving it all a bit cramped.
For all my fellow "rivet counters", notice I had a go at Dremeling the little hand grips in the board :lol:

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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:58 pm

Now onto the doors themselves.
I mentioned in the previous post about aftermarket gun ports. While looking for something different to use instead of the Del Prado supplied lids, I purchased a few sample packs of these and thought I might as well make use of some of them. The smallest ones I have are, by coincidence about 7mm square x7x
I cut these roughly in half with a Dremel fine cut disc and as the hinge part on these was not right, that had to come off too, and I glued small pieces of 1mm X 0.75mm Evergreen strip to represent the hinges.
Below is a photo of the three stages prior to painting.

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After painting, the obligatory small eyelets were fixed in place, and the assembly fixed to the hull.

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While I was in "side opening door mode" I made the doors for the quarter deck gun ports in the same way, but using slightly larger lids, these ones had about the right sort of hinge so I just had to file off the little pegs.

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Again, after painting and fitting of eyelets they were fixed in place.

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A bit more on the gun port lid lanyards.
Below is a pic of my "assembly" line producing the lengths of rigging cord encased in the heat shrink tubing.

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Daunting to think that that is only just over half of what is needed :roll:

Next is a closer shot of the brass washers, I fitted them over the sleeving further back so the edges could be painted before moving them nearer the front.

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Once painted and dry, they were glued into the holes drilled above the gun ports.

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It was about this time that I discovered Dafi's PE enhancement range for the1/100 Heller HMS Victory kit. Along with some other great parts they make, are gun port lid hinges.
I was never that happy with the large moulded hole in the top face of the supplied Del Prado lids. You can see the raised part below the eyelets in the pic below.

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With these I can file off those large blobs, reverse the lid and fit the new hinges on what would have been the inside of the lid which, luckily, has planking detail on it.
I will also use the rigols for above the gun ports.

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Although I fitted aftermarket rigols some years back, they are a bit big as they were for a 1/96 scale kit and despite being the correct shape, more importantly to me, they do not have the correct profile like the ones above. Its a pity these things weren't about 7 - 8 years ago :x
Doing this will probably require some repair work, but I can't resist it. :lol:
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Re: Del Prado Victory 1/100 Scale Partwork

Post by alanoes » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:06 pm

While I was waiting for the PE parts to arrive, I spent some time building the 34ft launch.
I won't include this here as it is detailed in another section of this forum, but for anyone who has not seen it, here is a link to that build log.
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